The Emperor's New Mind: Concerning Computers, Minds and the Laws of Physics

Roger Penrose Martin Gardner

The Emperor's New Mind: Concerning Computers, Minds and the Laws of Physics

The Emperor's New Mind: Concerning Computers, Minds and the Laws of Physics

  • Title: The Emperor's New Mind: Concerning Computers, Minds and the Laws of Physics
  • Author: Roger Penrose Martin Gardner
  • ISBN: 9780192861986
  • Page: 177
  • Format: Paperback

For decades, proponents of artificial intelligence have argued that computers will soon be doing everything that a human mind can do Admittedly, computers now play chess at the grandmaster level, but do they understand the game as we do Can a computer eventually do everything a human mind can do In this absorbing and frequently contentious book, Roger Penrose eminent pFor decades, proponents of artificial intelligence have argued that computers will soon be doing everything that a human mind can do Admittedly, computers now play chess at the grandmaster level, but do they understand the game as we do Can a computer eventually do everything a human mind can do In this absorbing and frequently contentious book, Roger Penrose eminent physicist and winner, with Stephen Hawking, of the prestigious Wolf prize puts forward his view that there are some facets of human thinking that can never be emulated by a machine Penrose examines what physics and mathematics can tell us about how the mind works, what they can t, and what we need to know to understand the physical processes of consciousness He is among a growing number of physicists who think Einstein wasn t being stubborn when he said his little finger told him that quantum mechanics is incomplete, and he concludes that laws even deeper than quantum mechanics are essential for the operation of a mind To support this contention, Penrose takes the reader on a dazzling tour that covers such topics as complex numbers, Turing machines, complexity theory, quantum mechanics, formal systems, Godel undecidability, phase spaces, Hilbert spaces, black holes, white holes, Hawking radiation, entropy, quasicrystals, the structure of the brain, and scores of other subjects.The Emperor s New Mind will appeal to anyone with a serious interest in modern physics and its relation to philosophical issues, as well as to physicists, mathematicians, philosophers and those on either side of the AI debate.

Recent Comments "The Emperor's New Mind: Concerning Computers, Minds and the Laws of Physics"

I've been reading this one since June and it's now 3 days til Christmas!Roger Penrose is a famous mathematician who worked with Stephen Hawking on black holes and who has done ground breaking work elsewhere (including on the surprisingly fundamental issue of tiling 2D spaces!).The book is about the nature of intelligence and whether it really can be an emergent property of algorithmic procedure (i.e. Turing Machines, i.e. computers as we know them). Many people believe that intelligence can aris [...]

I suggested that one could imagine Albertine's gang in A L'Ombre Des Jeunes Filles En Fleurs as a kind of wave function of girls (see my review), and that made me think of The Emperor's New Mind. Given that it's all about quantum mechanics, I suppose it's appropriate that I have two different and completely incompatible reactions to it. On one hand, I am annoyed with Penrose. OK, he is a great genius in his own field, but why does that give him a license to come in and pronounce on the things I [...]

The contents of quantum mechanics is the highest peakAmong every physics books.Climax of this book Quantum gravity theory is not currently elucidated.Description of the structure of the brain is very weak,Currently, neuroscience is progressing rapidlyBooks in the system are better than this book.What is consciousness?The answer has not yet been answered.We should expect the book of the future of neuroscience.I also am going to read the recent books in this systemcause fMRI and PET have been deve [...]

It's hard for me to rate this one:the bulk of the book was a great deal of fun,in the vein of "Goedel, Escher, Bach";the concluding section seemed astonishinglyill-conceived. There's a big debate aroundthis, but the connections he makes strikeme as terribly wrong. Incompleteness doesn'tprove the human mind does something no machinecan do, and microtubules do not allow brain-widecoherence for special quantum-supercharged thinking that results in consciousness.But watching Icarus crash and burn mi [...]

First of all, I absolutely love Penrose.His style simply amazes me! There's this feeling that he wants to tell you SO MUCH and that he's trying hard to control himself so that he doesn't end up with a book several thousand pages long. Also, it's obvious that he enjoys science and mathematics on a really profound level. Those two things are really what kept me on the edge of my seat (when I wasn't reading while walking) while I was reading this book!As someone interested both in neuroscience and [...]

Here's what I think: Roger Penrose is wrong, and smart enough to convince himself he's right. I know he's smart because the journey he provides to his thesis is so rich with disparate concepts (I awarded an entire extra star just for the chapter that introduces quantum mechanics, for example). Unfortunately the logic that ties the whole thing together doesn't speak to me.The purpose of the book is to argue that strong AI is fundamentally impossible. He argues this from the last place I think is [...]

After scanning the host of negative reviews of this book, I feel compelled to speak my piece. I've read this book more than once, and often return to it and find a few more nuggets. Is seems to me that there are few other books that grapple as honestly with the nature of consciousness. The AI community, and materialist scientists who start with the premise that --- it's all in the brain; we don't know how or where but one day we will know, are the people that Penrose challenges. This book predic [...]

First, the good. Penrose weaves tales of science, philosophy, and history that few others can, due to his wide-ranging and vast intellect. He touches on a wealth of interesting subjects in this book and his enthusiasm for them bleeds through the pages. In particular, this book offered the most illuminating introduction to entropy (in the "Cosmology and the arrow of time" chapter) that I have ever read. In short, before I read it, I didn't believe in the second law of thermodynamics. After I read [...]

I got so bored too much formalism with having to explain all the mathematical and physical principles from the ground up before adding his own thoughts to the theme of consciousness. It all became too mucky to follow and keep track of, it felt more like a textbook for Penrose's ideas rather than an enlightening conversation that could offer me food for thought which I could digest.

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم"بالعربي و دغري و من الآخر" كتاب من أجمل ما قرأت في حياتي حتى الساعة!الكتاب يبحث في السؤال الشهير: هل يمكن للآلة (الحاسوب) أن تقلد ذكاء الإنسان الصرف؟ و هل سيأتي زمن تصبح فيه الحواسيب ذات و عي وشعور؟!وللإجابة على مثل هذه التساؤلات العلمية الفلسفية يذهب بك [...]

Penrose sets out to prove that strong AI (minds simulated on digital computer being equivalent to biological minds) is impossible. He argues that minds depend on a physical process which, while perhaps deterministic, is non-computable and therefore can't be simulated on a Turing machine. This was quite convincingly argued, and in the process Penrose takes you through probably the most comprehensible description of quantum theory that I've read in popular form. Not shying away from using the odd [...]

This is a great mathematical book, which goes deep into many mathematical and philosophical ideas.I was 17 when i first picked it up at a library and this book was my introduction to many mathematical concepts and quantum mechanics.The basic premise of the author in this book is that human consciousness cannot be simulated computationally.his hypothesis that the human brain is a quantum-mechanical structure is very interesting.Not an easy read, but definitely worth going through.

I did a back-of-the-envelope calculation and told Roger that the decoherence times were at least ten orders of magnitude too low for the brain to be a quantum computer. No response. Then Max did it more carefully and said they were twenty orders of magnitude too low. Any advance on twenty?Sigh. I love Roger, but sometimes he just won't listen.

My reaction to this book and its follow up, Shadows of the Mind, were pretty much the same.Yes, it's true we can't reconcile gravity and quantum mechanicsYes, reconciling how intelligence arises in a purely mechanical system is not understoodYes, Godel's incompleteness stuff and Turing halting stuff are weird and not at all obviousBut, no, I am very far from convinced that a mechanism that allowed us to reconcile General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics would allow us to understand how intellige [...]

A book about turing machines, Gödel's theorem, cosmology, quantum mechanics, neurology and consciousness? I was sold!Penrose is, IMHO, the best writer about physics. His style is friendly and relaxed but thorough. I do not follow his thesis that it is not possible to construct hard AI and brains need an quantum physical element to be understood. But this book deals with such interesting subjects and themes about the universe and our place in it, it is impossible not to be fascinated.

Another longtime companion of mine, this book is by turns brilliant and exasperating. It's a bulky layman's discourse on Artificial Intelligence, seeking the answer to the question "Can a computer ever possess true intelligence?" Its brilliance lies in fascinating and lucid coverage of a variety of subjects in mathematics, classical and quantum physics, relativity, and all of the philosophical underpinnings. Unfortunately in the tumble of information Penrose neglects to pull the threads together [...]

This book is fantastic for two reasons: 1. Its central idea: That the nature of human thought is ultimately non-algorithmica fascinating point of view in this AI dominated era 2. Being privy to the inner workings of Roger Penrose's mind. In an era in which scientific specialization is the norm, it is refreshing to read someone that jumps from chaos mathematics to computing and quantum gravity to answer questions about consciousness. If Hesse's "Glass Bead Game" was real, Roger Penrose will no do [...]

Computers can defeat humans in a game of chess, and perform mathematical operations much faster than humans can. A robot can be built that detects when its batteries are running low and when this happens, goes off to find a power socket to plug itself in and recharge. Computers can be programmed to answer questions as a human being would. But can a computer solve every problem that a human being can solve? Could computers ever be aware of, and actually understand what they are doing? Could the e [...]

Очень любопытная и противоречивая книга, которая заслуживает оценку "отлично" за постановку большого количества вопросов и попытку наметить пути их решения.Для меня новым было очень многое (извините, несмотря на 1989 год издания, я как-то далек от гребней науки)#1. U и R процеду [...]

I read this book when it first came out and I was still a student of science so my memory on specific details is sketchy. There is no doubt that it is interesting and lively. I recall agreeing with Penrose's skepticism about artificial intelligence through his discussion of the Chinese Room Problem and the idea that if it were possible to write down the "program" of a person's mind in a book then the book, in a very slowed down sense, would be intelligent. From this I recall that his skepticism [...]

Uno de los mejores libros que he leído sin duda, me dejó con muchas cosas que pensar acerca de la realidad física y me aclaró muchos puntos en los que tenía las cosas tan claras.Además aprendí de muchos otros temas avanzados de la física(aunque someramente), de los que no tenía la mínima idea. Es un libro obligado para todas las personas que gusten de la ciencia.En cuanto al tema principal con el que inicia el libro, estoy completamente de acuerdo con la conclusión del autor, y nunca [...]

Well, I am still dizzy; It feels like emerging out of a concussion! Amazing read and I indeed loved it, the only problem is you can't read it like a novel because of its information overload - the amount of information that is littered on each page is just phew!Nevertheless, it was sort of warm up exercise for me for the things that are to be completed in the near future Loved the whole experience: exciting, exulting, enthralling!

The sections of this book where Penrose outlines recent scientific and mathematical developments are excellent. Unfortunately, his philosophical reflections on those developments are rudimentary and clumsy to say the least. And his central claim that quantum mechanics holds the key to free will is just silly.

tldr;(well, I read a bit zzz)

Although this book brought to my attention some interesting ideas, I felt that as a whole, these ideas weren't communicated very succinctly or convincingly. I was constantly annoyed by the copious amounts of speculation. In the meanwhile, the main chunk of the book that sought to provide an adequate background was pretty okay, but Penrose has a penchant for overexplaining certain trivialties while underexplaining other more important points. Penrose also has very strange views wrt to the philoso [...]

Il testo cerca di argomentare la tesi che la coscienza, trascende una concezione algoritmica. Deve essere qualcosa di più. Penrose guida il lettore passo a passo tra le basi fisiche e matematiche per riuscire a far luce su quello che è il suo pensiero, affrontato nell'ultimo capitolo del libro.Inizia la discussione con un'introduzione all' IA (Intelligenza Artificiale), passando in rassegna la storia e la filosofia che vi stanno dietro. Da tenere presente essere un testo "vecchio" per l' argom [...]

This was one of my nemesis books. It's been on my shelf for about 25 years and I've made 2 or 3 attempts at it in that time. I took a slightly different approach this time and it was actually a much better read than I expected.The first parts are filled with hugely complex ways of looking at concepts that I thought I was already familiar with. It was (mostly) comprehensible as I read it, but I don't know how much I could repeat from memory now that I'm done.The author pretty much lost me at the [...]

Well, let's just say that Doctor Penrose is no science popularizer. It took me a year to finish this convoluted, pretentious take down of strong AI. Penrose seemed more interested in advancing his own magical shapes and patterns, fitting them wherever he could.This is not a book for laypeople, no way.

This book is about human intelligence and computers. Although the author has tried to make it simple, but still I feel that for an ordinary person it is not an easy read. There are chapters with mathematics involved. All the basic concepts of physics and mathematics have been reviewed in this book before coming to some of the conclusion on quantum mechanical model and gravitational concepts.

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